Are Spiritual things tangible?

Athiest: People tend to want to believe in things that would be nice. Unicorns, cancer-curing oils, hugging beloved grandparent in a blissful afterlife... This has no relation to whether those things are a part of objective reality.

People experience their gods inside their subjective realities, the evidence is massive. The "elevation emotion" is certainly real.

Very rare to find evidence for anything supernatural being in objective reality, though. More than rare, I would say there is no good evidence at all, so far. We just need ONE piece of irrefutable evidence.

Believing in magic is bad for humanity, I think. Why do experiments in physics, it won't save your soul, best to memorize holy books instead.

If you look too hard at your faith, you risk something worse than losing your soul: realizing that you never had one.

Believer

This is what you kind of said in other words:

"To believe, all I need is for something intangible (spirits) to be tangible!"

By definition spirit is not physical-- not objectively tangible. And by that definition you gave, "not real". There wont ever be proof that spirits are tangible because they arent tangible. They are intangible by definition. So you have set up an impossible case. It would be similar to saying "I will believe in radiowaves when I can see or feel one". By definition, you don't see or feel radiowaves, by definition they are outside of the frequency of visibility for humans, thats why we call them radiowaves instead of light waves. Spirit is by definition intangible (similar/same as to dark matter). You are never going to get objective physical data for something that by definition is not physical matter.... unless something weird happens in the case of dark matter where it somehow has gravitational pull or something.

So we are making a case for evidence of something intangible, not a case for something intangible being tangible.

So look for evidence for something that is intangible exists in an intangible state-- not that it exists in a tangible state.

Evidence that something intangible exists in an intangible state would be the billions of copies of testimonies from nearly every continent thru all of recorded history.

You reject this evidence because it is "weak evidence" because it isn't evidence that something intangible is tangible-- do you understand how you have created an impossible standard for yourself through your definitions?

If there was something intangible (non material) that manifested itself only to people through their minds, what non-tangible evidence would you need in order to consider it a viable theory-- how about billions of records of people have very similar said experience all coming to the same conclusion though separated by time and space?

"IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TANGIBLE!!!"

...ummm... no that isn't what I was asking

Atheist: "People tend to want to believe in things that would be nice."

Believer: you mean like satan, evil spirits and hell? I think people believe in things for which they find some kind of evidence of some kind or another whether it is nice or not. Is there tangible evidence for intangible things like spirits? Or course not.

Atheist: "Unicorns, cancer-curing oils,"

Believer: tangible, tangible-- able to test both of those using the bounds or scope of instruments of the scientific method to test objective tangible material things.

Atheist: "hugging beloved grandparent in a blissful afterlife... "

Believer: intangible, not able to be tested using the bounds or scope of instruments of the scientific method. OUTSIDE of the bounds of science. Neither proved objectively or disproved objectively. The question is-- is there evidence for this thing that I am not yet able to prove or disprove? YES!! TONS OF IT!! In NEARLY EVERY CULTURE THRU ALL OF RECORDED HUMAN HISTORY by people separated by both time and space. This does not prove that it is tangible-- that isn't the question. The question is not whether intangible things are tangible (or objectively "tangible object" real)-- they arent an "object" by definition.

Atheist: "This has no relation to whether those things are a part of objective reality."

Believer: Of course not-- that is the point-- it is not part of objective reality. It is not an object. It is not tangible. It is not atomic matter. that is the entire point. You will not find evidence that spirit is atomic matter (aka objective reality).

Atheist: "People experience their gods inside their subjective realities, the evidence is massive."

Believer: Everyone experiences everything inside of their subjective realities. There is literally no way to experience something that is not within their own subjective reality. The point you are making is that not everyone experience the same thing-- but that a MASSIVE amount of people do experience the same thing.... I think that is my point to. But that doesn't prove that something intangible is tangible. It merely points out that there is lots of evidence for something, which means that it is a reasonable theory that exists OUTSIDE of the scope of the instruments of the scientific method for tangible objects.

Atheist: The "elevation emotion" is certainly real.

Believer: Is it by your definition of "real"? It is a subjective experience that not everyone experiences? How do you know it is real if it isn't tangible. MASSIVE amounts of people are reporting something occurring, but not everyone does. If billions of people (but not everyone) report a very similar experience of something, does that make a good case that it might be happening? I think so too...

Atheist: "Very rare to find evidence for anything supernatural being in objective reality, though. More than rare, I would say there is no good evidence at all, so far. We just need ONE piece of irrefutable evidence."

Believer: You will not find any evidence that radiowaves are light waves because they are not light waves by definition. You will not find any evidence that intangible things are tangible, because they are not tangible by definition. In the book, skeptics guide to the universe, the author debunks the "ghost hunters" impossibly dichotomic premise that spirits are tangible-intangibles... or in other words "that radio waves are light waves...". You seem to be functioning under the same premise as the "ghost hunters". I do not.

Atheist: "Believing in magic is bad for humanity, I think".

Believer: Now we agree on something. Many people have mixed magic and theology-- they used to do the same thing with magic and medicine. This does not mean that medicine is magic. It does also not mean that magic is theology. The fact that there is not tangible evidence for theories regarding intangible things is extremely relevant. If there was evidence that intangible things were tangible, then they would not be intangible by definition.Theology is a field for which there is a "MASSIVE" amount of evidence.

If you look hard at the massive amounts of evidence, you risk believing that you have a soul-- and better yet, that you always had one.